Re: FOS Newsletter Excerpts

From: Eberhard R. Hilf <hilf_at_PHYSNET.PHYSIK.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:47:52 +0200

The discussion reply is a misunderstanding:
from paper age with publish first, with ONE type of peer reviewing (the
referee stays anonymous to the author), distribute then to some libraries,
now in the digital age we have
distribute first, post on the web by the author or his institution's
server and
referee afterwards. Here it makes no sense to stick with just the one type
of anonymous peer-refereeing the publishers offered, but should and will
see a full set of refereeing levels (certification levels) including peer
referees who may be either anonymous or not. Since the personal anonymous
advice to the author to rewrite, say bad english, comes too late to stop
distribution anyway, the refereeing needs will be focussing on open
annotations, that is the referee signs (as we are use to in mathematics
Ebs Hilf

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Stevan Harnad wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Bernard Lang wrote:
> > I noticed that many people on this list seem genuinely afraid of
> > hurting the feelings of publishers. Stevan gave me that impression in
> > our latest exchange, to which I stopped replying because I had the
> > impression that his eagerness to defend publishers (in the classical
> > sense) was hiding facts I did not know about.
> No hidden facts. Just one very open one. It is possible to free the
> entire refereed journal corpus online (all 20,000+ journals, all
> 2,000,000+ articles annually), NOW, without asking or waiting for
> publishers to do anything at all.
> Hence I think it is unnecessary and a waste of time and breath to
> fulminate against publishers, when there is something much more useful
> and effective that we could all be doing instead.
> Moreover, peer review is essential; it is what makes the refereed
> corpus a REFEREED corpus. Publishers currently implement peer review;
> it is an essential service; and there is no reason they should nto
> continue doing it, come what may.
> So I see absolutely no value in publisher-baiting. It is neither fair
> nor useful.
> So, no hidden facts. Complete disclosure.
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