Re: SHERPA will take over the Romeo Publisher Policy Table

From: Bill Hubbard <>
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:36:12 +0100

    [2 postings: (1) Bill Hubbard; (2) Ebs Hilf]


(1) Bill Hubbard

David Goodman wrote:

> The discussion between Bill and Stevan about the most appropriate colors
> that fit their personal mnemonics shows the advantage of using words,
> not arbitrary symbols, to convey potentially complicated information.

I agree. I would like to move on from discussing different colours!
Many different colour-schemes could be proposed, with different benefits
and drawbacks. The colours from the original RoMEO list proved to be
a popular and convenient conversational short-hand; SHERPA/RoMEO uses
an extension of the original. When we took over the list, we retained a
colour coding because of this convenience and for continuity, but decided
to draw out in words some of the conditions more explicitly. Colours are
a convenient summary, but in any simplistic four-part classification of
a complex area, there are bound to be some uncomfortable fits.

This is why the SHERPA/RoMEO list gives greater prominence to the
conditions and restrictions imposed by publishers and separates out
pre-print and post-print rights, to try to more clearly reflect sometimes
complex rights issues.

David Goodman wrote:

> I thus agree with Stevan that people will want to know it (1) not just
> on a publisher basis, but on a *journal* basis:

I agree. This would be very useful. Analysis by journal title was not
part of the original RoMEO list and by extension, beyond the scope of
the SHERPA/RoMEO list.

We understand that this is what Stevan Harnad and his group is now
going to do as a seperate project. We have now given the underlying
SHERPA/RoMEO data to Stevan Harnad's group at their request for this
purpose and we look forward to the valuable contribution that this new
journal based interface will provide.

Stevan Harnad wrote (in one of his Moderator's comments inserted into
David Goodman's posting):

> [Moderator's note: It does indeed look as if SHERPA/Romeo may have
> misclassified Wiley as bright-green; in the old Romeo listing they
> are pale-green (preprint only), but I can't find any mention of
> the 3 year embargo on postprint self-archiving in Wiley's policy
> PDF.

We do not believe we have misclassified Wiley-VCH Verlag as Stevan
Harnad suggests.

The original RoMEO list classed Wiley-VCH Verlag as not allowing
pre-print or post-prints to be archived. The SHERPA/RoMEO list is the same.

The 3 year embargo on post-print self-archiving comes from the terms of
the Wiley-VCH Verlag Copyright Transfer Agreement, and the link is
provided on their entry.

If authors sign this Copyright Transfer Agreement then the publisher
gains three year's exclusive copyright with no mention of the retention
of a right to self-archive.

And in case of confusion between Wiley-VCH Verlag Berlin and John Wiley
& Sons, note that the original RoMEO list classed John Wiley & Sons. as
allowing both pre-prints and post-prints to be archived.
The SHERPA/RoMEO list is the same.

To avoid this list getting clogged with future suggestions or queries
on individual publisher's CTAs, can I request that suggested changes or
updates be sent to SHERPA using the provided forms on the SHERPA/RoMEO

Bill Hubbard
SHERPA Project Manager


(2) Eberhard R. Hilf

-From the standpoint of the publisher: Yes, just green or gray are needed,
indicating whether (green) or not (gray) author self-archiving of open
access versions is officially supported by the publisher

-From the standpoint of the author: Yes, anyone should feel the moral
impetus to self-archive his/her papers, and give access to all.

-From the standpoint of the reader/user, the following questions arise:

     (a) Is the toll-access journal article available toll-free online:
     Yes or no?

     (b) If so, who takes care of it, of how readable it is, of how
      searchable it is?

-From the standpoint of the author again: We can bet that in the longer run
institutionally self-archived papers, owing to their better accessibility,
retrievability and visibility, will be more cited.

Thus in PhysDoc
we retrieve separately:

    (a) all OA papers

    (b) those OA papers, which are institutionally archived and carry

Eberhard R. Hilf, Dr. Prof.;
CEO (Geschaeftsfuehrer)
Institute for Science Networking Oldenburg GmbH
an der Carl von Ossietzky Universitaet
Ammerlaender Heerstr.121; D-26129 Oldenburg
email :
tel : +49-441-798-2884
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