Re: The Green and Gold Roads to Open Access

From: David Goodman <>
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:46:49 +0000

Dear Rick,

I generally place much more emphasis on "gold" OA Journals than Stevan
does. Even I do not see how the percentage of journals that were OA
Journals could initially increase by more than 5% to 10% each year,
including both the change in existing journals and the replacement
of conventional journals by new OA journals. What would be needed to
go faster would be generalized academic consensus on how to transfer
the necessary funds. I myself think such a transfer would not be that
difficult to implement, but we are not dealing with one person, but
with all the universities, research institutes, and funding bodies
world-wide. I think such agreement most unlikely, given the nature of
these institutions, however much I wish it otherwise.

It is possible that it might be publishers who would initiate the
conversion, and might therefore drive it faster. Considering that the
publishers the most open to the idea regard a change of one single
journal a year as a major event, I think rapid progress even less likely,
however much I wish it otherwise.

I think such a conversion will eventually be necessary, because I do not
see how the cost spiral of conventionally-paid journals can be avoided,
and experience shows the yet smaller likelihood of libraries receiving
sufficient funding to cope. This spiral had been present in the past
without green OA, and will continue in the future, regardless of green OA.
All that I ask of green OA is that it keep general free access open
until we can do the whole system better. As I said, Stevan obviously
thinks more of green OA than just that.

But we do not have to agree about the best future direction to agree that
the best present direction -- indeed the only practical present direction
-- for us to have OA is to get the fundamentally rather modest change to
green accomplished now -- it's almost the end of 2004, so I will suggest
we aim at 100% by the end of 2005.

Dr. David Goodman
Associate Professor
Palmer School of Library and Information Science
Long Island University

-----Original Message-----
From: American Scientist Open Access Forum on behalf of Stevan Harnad
Sent: Tue 12/14/2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: The Green and Gold Roads to Open Access

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Rick Anderson wrote:

> My question remains: do we want to encourage the development of Gold journals?
> If not, if the existence of Gold journals doesn't really matter, then I guess
> there's not an issue in my mind.

Yes, we should continue to encourage the development of Gold journals. As
one of the people who originally proposed the author-institution
cost-recovery model already a decade ago

    Harnad, S. (1995) Electronic Scholarly Publication: Quo Vadis? Serials
    Review 21(1) 70-72 (Reprinted in Managing Information 2(3) 1995)

I can hardly be described as discouraging Gold journals! But I definitely
discourage the vastly disproportionate emphasis they are getting today. ...

Stevan Harnad
Received on Wed Dec 15 2004 - 10:46:49 GMT

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