Re: Cure Gold Fever With Green Deposits

From: Jeffery, KG (Keith) <"Jeffery,>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:51:26 +0100

Stevan, all -

As usual I am with you almost all the way. I, too, hope (I am not sure I believe - see how publishers jacked-up subscription costs once they had the market) gold will reduce costs eventually.

The problem is that - right now and with currently published gold costs - a productive institution may well find itself paying ~ 3 times its current library subscriptions.

I support strongly (and have for some years) your call for green now, mandated by funders and institutions and with easy-to-use, low effort input systems (fewer keystrokes). Apart from the obvious advantages, green has one further advantage; if publishers do not go for gold at least we have open access availability in green and if publishers do go for gold having parallel green will 'keep them honest'.


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-----Original Message-----
From: American Scientist Open Access Forum [mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad
Sent: 29 April 2007 15:50
Subject: Cure Gold Fever With Green Deposits

Below is the summary of a reply to Matt Hodgkinson's posting in his journaloloblog:

    "Archivangelism: Has the Means Become the End?"

My full, linked reply is at:


    (1) The Immediate-Deposit/Optional-Access (ID/OA) Mandate is a
    compromise deliberately designed to end deadlocks delaying the
    adoption of self-archiving mandates, by making publisher copyright
    policies or embargoes moot. It is not a substitute for OA but a
    an accelerator toward OA.

    (2) There is no discovery problem with articles that have been
    deposited in OAI-compliant Institutional Repositories (IRs). The
    discovery problem is with the articles that have not been deposited.

    (3) I don't criticise those who say Gold OA will lower publication
    costs. (I think it will too, eventually.) I criticise those who keep
    dwelling on Gold OA and costs while usage and impact continues to
    be lost and Green OA mandates (or ID/OA) can put an end to it, once
    and for all, now.

    (4) CERN could have done a far greater service for other disciplines
    and for the growth of OA if it had put its weight and energy behind
    promoting its own own Green OA policy as a model worldwide, instead
    of diverting attention and energy to the needless and premature
    endgame of Gold OA within its own subfields.

    (5) Paying for Gold OA in a hybrid-Gold journal is indeed
    double-payment while subscriptions are still paying all publication

    (6) I criticise depositing in CRs instead of depositing in
    Institutional Repositories (IRs), especially mandating deposit in
    CRs instead of in IRs.

    (7) I have no wish to vye for priority for the term "open
    access". I used "free online access" for years without feeling any
    pressing need for a more formal term of art.

    (8) Yes I (and no doubt others too, independently) mooted the notion
    of journals funded by means other than the subscription model (later
    to become Gold OA) in 1997 and even earlier (1994); but I never for
    a microsecond thought Gold OA would come before Green OA. And it
    hasn't; nor will it.

Stevan Harnad
Received on Sun Apr 29 2007 - 18:54:36 BST

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