Re: Wrong Advice On Open Access: History Repeating Itself

From: Stevan Harnad <>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:07:19 -0400

On 31-Oct-09, at 10:21 AM, Françoise Salager-Meyer wrote:

> I agree that the only solution is AN INSTITUTIONAL MANDATE. My question
> is:
> In view of the fact that all researchers want to publish in top-notch
> jornals (the 5.000 core journals), isnt' there an incompatibility between
> the pre-print publishing of peer-reviewed papers and the subsequent
> publishing of the papers in one such journal? Will the publisher agree
> that the pre-print be published?

(1) One *publishes* in a journals and one *deposits* in an Open Access (OA)
institutional repository (IR)

(2) OA Mandates are to deposit the author's final, peer-reviewed draft in
the IR immediately upon acceptance for publication. (This is the refereed
postprint, not the unrefereed preprint).

(3) Sixty-three percent of journals (including most of the top journals in
each field) already endorse immediate OA deposit of the refereed postprint
and a further 32% endorse the immediate OA deposit of the preprint.

(4) For embargoed deposits, the IRs have the "Almost OA" "email eprint
request" Button:

So all postprints can be deposited immediately, the majority can be made OA
immediately, and for the rest the "Almost OA" Button can take care of any
user needs during any embargo (until embargoes all die their natural and
well-deserved deaths under mounting OA pressure from the research

> I have a problem, for example, with the commercial publisher Peter Lang.
> It does NOT allow me to put in my institutional repository the papers
> (post-print) that have been published in Peter Lang books.

I don't know about Lang, but OA is first and foremost for journal and
conference articles, not books. But you can always deposit and rely on the
Button till Lang updates its policy.

> Elsevier acccepts the post-print publication under the conditon that one
> does not use the Elsevier logo.

I don't understand. What needs to be deposited is the postprint, not the
logo. And Elsevier is completely green on immediate OA self-archiving of
both postprints and preprints.

> Can anymore please answer the pre-print question: will a commercial
> publisher accept that one put on one's institution IR the pre-prints of
> the papers to be later published in their journals?

The preprint predates even submission to the journal. It does not need the
publisher's endorsement.

Hope this helps.

Stevan Harnad

> Thankx a lot.
> Françoise Salager-Meyer (Universidad de Los Andes, Mérida. Venezuela)
> I am about to give a lecture on Open Access in developing countries and I
> would very much like to have a reply to my question!
Received on Sat Oct 31 2009 - 22:04:01 GMT

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