On Tue, 4 Jul 2006, Richard Feinman wrote:
> Stevan,
> We are in agreement. My point is only that most authors feel that it is
> so hard to do the work and produce the paper that learning about
> publishing is more than they can handle.
But Richard, who said they needed to lear about publishing? They need only
self-archive: a few minutes and keystrokes. A pittance compared to all they've
done already, and reaping huge benefits in usage and citations.
> As others have said on the list, many researchers aren't even sure what OA
> is.
That is partly their fault and partly the fault of the OA movement, for not
being better informed and not better informing, respectively. The problem is
rapidly being remedied, as knlwedge of OA grows, and as OA mandates spread.
> Trying to work it out for myself, I think the OAI-compliant sites you
> mention would have to be accessed by EndNote connections before I could
> look to them regularly.
I don't think so; and I assure you that the intended usership -- all those
researchers and all the journal articles they cannot afford to access now --
do not think so either.
Chrs, Stevan
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> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006, Richard Feinman wrote:
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> > I meant that I didn't see why it is considered a step forward. Without
> > some consistent link from a search engine, I suspect researchers don't
> see
> > the point. (Are there data on how often archived papers are accessed
> ?).
>
> (1) All major search engines harvest OA Institutional and Central
> Repository content.
>
> (2) There are also OAI-compliant harvesters and search engines
> specialising in the OA content (OAIster, Citebase, CiteSeer,
> Scirus, Scopus, Google Scholar)
>
> (3) OA is not a search engine problem, it is an access problem.
>
> (4) For data on how OA increases citations and downloads, see:
> http://opcit.eprints.org/oacitation-biblio.html
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> > If a paper isn't accessible, researchers tend to write to the authors
> who
> > will send you a pdf (legally or otherwise).
>
> Correct, but that is incomparably more time-consuming and
> inefficient -- hence much less functional -- than a click, for
> browsing and usage, no search for author email address, no wait,
> and no dependence on whether author has or will email the PDF. OA
> would provide that for all papers, instantly, with one click.
> (OA Institutional Repositories do have a semi-automatic
> email-eprint-request button which speeds the process:
> https://secure.ecs.soton.ac.uk/notices/publicnotices.php?notice=902).
>
> > Also, I think the idea that
> > you can't post the final version seems ridiculous to most people but, of
> > course, that gets back to the global question.
>
> Who says one can't post the final version? The final version is
> the author's refereed, accepted final draft. No need for the
> publisher's PDF. Or are you referring to the 24% of journals that
> have so far only endorsed the self-archiving of the unrefereed
> preprint, not the final refereed draft? With 70% endorsing the
> self-archiving of the final draft, I think the semi-automatic
> email-eprint-request button will do for the time being, for the
> remaining 24% (plus the 6% for which even preprint self-archiving
> has not been endorsed by the publisher), if the preprint plus
> corrections is found too ridiculous (I agree), or the author is
> foolish enough to comply with a *pre-submission* requirement not
> to self-archive the preprint.
>
> http://romeo.eprints.org/stats.php
> http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/#publisher-forbids
>
> The spread of OA self-archiving mandates and the growth of the
> systematic practice of self-archiving both text and metadata upon
> acceptance for publication will ensure that all ridiculousness
> and foolishness will phase itself out in short order, as nature
> takes its course.
>
> Stevan Harnad
>
>
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Richard Feinman wrote:
> >
> >> I don't understand self-archiving.
> >
> > Please let me explain it to you: It is researchers making the
> > final refereed drafts of their own published articles freely
> > accessible on the web for those would-be users who cannot afford
> > access to the publisher's version.
> >
> > Self-Archiving FAQ
> > http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/
> >
> >> Isn't that another bizarre practice of having the author assume
> >> a task which should be done by the publisher.
> >
> > Not in the least. The publisher implements the peer review,
> > performs the copy-editing, markup, composition, printing and
> > distribution, in print and on paper. In exchange, he receives
> > subscription revenue. It is not the publisher's task to provide
> > access to those who cannot afford his product. If the author
> > wants those potential users to have access too, he needs to
> > provide it. But all it costs is a few minutes and keystrokes per
> > paper, and what it brings is substantially more usage and impact:
> >
> > Carr, L. and Harnad, S. (2005) Keystroke Economy: A Study of the
> > Time and Effort Involved in Self-Archiving.
> > http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/10688/
> >
> > Bibliography of Findings on the Open Access Impact Advantage
> > http://opcit.eprints.org/oacitation-biblio.html
> >
> >> Does it not highlight the intent of publishers to reduce access
> >> to the author's article. Are they not saying: sure we'll
> >> publish it but if you want everybody to be able to read it you
> >> have to take care of that.
> >
> > Nothing of the sort. The head-shaker is not that publishers won't
> > do it for authors. (It's more than enough if publishers simply
> > give author self-archiving their green light, as the publishers
> > of 94% of journals already do -- and if they do not lobby against
> > research-funder self-archiving mandates.)
> >
> > http://romeo.eprints.org/stats.php
> >
> > The real head-shaker is that, despite the substantial benefits to
> > them, only 15% of researchers self-archive spontaneously. This is
> > why self-archiving mandates were needed. Fortunately, the
> > mandates are coming, at long last:
> >
> > Swan, A. (2005) Open access self-archiving: An Introduction.
> > Technical
> > Report, JISC.
> > http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/11006/
> >
> > UK (RCUK): http://www.rcuk.ac.uk/access/
> > EC:
> >
> http://europa.eu.int/comm/research/science-society/pdf/scientific-publication-study_en.pdf
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> >
> > US (FRPAA):
> > http://cornyn.senate.gov/doc_archive/05-02-2006_COE06461_xml.pdf
> >
> > Stevan Harnad
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